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Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ... (April 6, 2010 11:55 AM)
According to the Philadelphia Inquirer:
New Jersey's public employee labor unions, long seen as a potent political force and often depicted as an 800-pound gorilla looming over the Statehouse, are running short of friends in Trenton.
Gone is Gov. Jon S. Corzine, who regularly sided with unions. In his place stands Gov. Christie, a Republican who has sharply criticized labor's influence, leadership, and benefits.
Public labor unions have found no refuge among Democrats, their traditional allies. Democratic labor leaders in the Legislature have been among the most vocal supporters of cuts to government benefits, saying taxpayers can no longer afford the perks.
Coming soon to a Pacific Coast state near you. ... But why should it have to take a Republican statewide victory to get politicians who can tell public employee unions "no"? .... [via Newsalert] 12:05 P.M.
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Really. A serious question? Or a sign that candidacy really has taken the edge off the commentary?
Take away union contributions from a Republican candidate and what do you have? A Republican candidate.
Take away union money from a Democrat candidate and what do you have? Depending on how many terms served, a union business agent or banquet union bartender.
I'd say good luck with the race but being outraged with the HCD (Health Care Destruction bill) which certain former bloggers more or less supported, I won't. As far as I'll go is: Kaus is better than Boxer!
Not much of a rallying cry there.
April 10, 2010 9:00 PM
From: AMcA (alec.mcausland@yahoo.com)
Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
Don't forget the flyovers!
Last week, the Illinois General Assembly in just one evening passed a massive public employee pension reform. No more retiring at 62 will full benefits. Now it's 67. No more benefits on salaries over $106K. Numerous abuses trimmed. No more paying benefits based on the last four years of employment, it's now the last 8 years. (But none of this applies to current employees, whose benefits are protected by the state constitution.)
This was HUGE, and is passed with strong support and next to no debate (probably the only way to pass such a measure, before the unions catch on).
April 10, 2010 7:00 AM
From: jfxgillis (jfxgillis@yahoo.com)
Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
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Done and dusted.
You can, ah, go ahead and be a Republican now, since ALL the other issues you care about and your policy program to deal with them are already covered by the Republican party. They need you. We don't.
April 9, 2010 7:00 PM
From: JMKerr (cal@theperfectworld.us)
Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
You're lucky if Republicans will support efforts against illegal immigration. Meg Whitman is trying hard to avoid the entire subject.
Besides, Arnold's trying to take on the unions, and all they're doing is taking him to court time and again.
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Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
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The Illinois General Assembly just passed, in one day (one evening, actually) a package of highly sensible pension reforms that penalize early retirement (62 used to be the regular age), cap benefit levels ($106K is the maximum salary upon which pensions will be paid) and other significant adjustments.
Problem is: they only apply to new hires. Why? Because the Illinois Constitution of 1970 explicitly protects public pensions from any reductions.
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From: I might vote for you
Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
"...why should it have to take a Republican statewide victory?"
Because, the Democratic Party and the unions are one and the same. As long as the Democratic Party relies on its tithing of union dues, the Democratic party will never be anything but a puppet of the union bosses.
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April 7, 2010 5:00 PM
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Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
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I'll flag a post to Rebecca Mansour over at her facebook page and see if I can get the good people over at Conservatives4Palin to get on the stick.
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April 7, 2010 2:00 PM
From: Rich
Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
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April 7, 2010 1:00 PM
From: Jocon307
Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
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Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
I think that's why Mickey's asking "why?" There are plenty of good Democrats...Democrats who would work hard for a market wage and would prosper without government intervention...who see the Unionized as an albatross for their party and the nation. Mickey wonders why they aren't heading the Tea Party off at the pass by throwing the parasites over the side now. It's a very good question.
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Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
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Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
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My neighbor is the political director for one of the largest construction unions in MA - since they're essentially kingmakers in any close races - goodbye Martha Coakley - isn't your question a little naive? He told me they weren't supporting her because she refused to hire their GOTV operation. Maybe she should have paid up.
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Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
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Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
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Because politicians now realize that "average" voters are starting to pay attention.
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Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
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Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
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It will never be easy to make a deal with the public employee unions in a state in financial crisis.
States reach financial crisis BECAUSE of overwhelmingly strong public unions. These unions are more politically oriented (naturally) and better organized than the citizens. They take and take, and by the time their is a crisis, they are well fed leviathans.
Good luck Kaus. I was born in California, and I hate to see what has happened there. I think only a guy like you, with a power base outside of the control of the big unions, can set this right. A Republican like Arnold just doesn't have the backing; to many want a Republican to fail. A mainline Dem will not do anything to offend the NEA and the rest.
Offend them, Mickey. You are saving their state, too.
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Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
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Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
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Now if the Republicans would keep on doing what they start out doing and as Gov Christie appears to be doing in New Jersey, then we would all win.
Now if someone could just teach the Dems to say no when obviously too expensive bills come up - but what is the likelihood of that happening anytime soon.
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Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
Twilight Zone...yeah, but that's not a 'signpost up ahead' that's a cliff!
As much as the rest of America would experience Richter scale 9.0 schadenfreude, a CA default would likely be a near catastrophe for all of us. So I wish the controlling party in CA would grow (find?) a pair.
April 6, 2010 10:00 PM
From: Steven
Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
"So its a two issue campaign, unions and immigration?"
It is enough for me... they both touch on many other issues. Such as, if the unions didnt call the shots on everything we could work on the schools and prisons. We could work on budget problems.. on and on.
April 6, 2010 9:00 PM
From: John Stodder (stodder.john@gmail.com)
Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
Jimmy, the state's budget problems are as direct a consequence of labor policies as they are of the economy.
I surmise that your reference to the constitutional convention means you are one who believes our state would be in better shape if only it was easier for the Legislature to raise taxes.
If that happened, however, here is where the taxes would go: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-crane6-2010apr06,0,6247734.story
April 6, 2010 8:00 PM
From: Bob Wright
Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
I belong to a union and have to say many public service unions give the trade union movement a bad name.
'Union solidarity' ensures that taxpayers are denied the services we are compelled to pay for. When we complain, the union response is: Tough.
April 6, 2010 6:00 PM
From: Greg (gsperla@berkeley.edu)
Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
@Jimmy: It's not a two issue campaign, but the union issue affects nearly everything. Why do we have this budget crisis in the first place? Surely a 1000% increase in pension costs may have something to do with it.
You say we may need a constitutional convention to pass a budget - and you may be right! But the reform we need is not an easier tax-vote threshold, it's a law prohibiting public employee unions (or, in the alternative, prohibiting their contributions to the campaigns of the very politicians they must "negotiate" with!).
Another great post Mickey.
PS. My form word is "avocado." Very Californian. Even this comment software is pro-California!
April 6, 2010 3:00 PM
From: Jimmy
Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
So its a two issue campaign, unions and immigration? in THIS state? a state that cant pass a budget with a constitutional convention?
April 6, 2010 1:00 PM
From: GM Roper (gmroper@yahoo.com)
Subject: re: Backlash Against Big Labor: If It's Happening in New Jersey ...
"...why should it have to take a Republican statewide victory?"
Because Democrats, like the Republicans in 06, thought that their shenanigans wouldn't touch them.
Wisdom may be defined as learning from your mistakes. Neither Party, by that definition, is wise.
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