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Mad Ducks? (May 5, 2010 12:10 AM)

"Kaus the Demagogue" ... Now we're getting somewhere! ... 3:59 P.M.

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Fred Barnes raises the possibility of a "mad duck" Congress, in which Democrats lose their majorities and their soon-to-be-ex Congressmen reconvene in December to pass all the most controversial parts of the Democratic agenda, including an immigration bill and a VAT, before they lose power. ... It seems implausible and paranoid, but how, exactly, could it be stopped?**... The new laws would be hard to repeal while Obama is in office--if they could ever be repealed. (Once you legalize illegal immigrants, can you re-illegalize them again? I doubt it. The change seems irreversible.) ... The only sure solution to Mad Duckism that I can see is for the Republicans to not win too big, leaving at least a substantial number of Dems with something left to lose. ...

**--Update: Alert reader J. suggests "an all-out filibuster" would stop a mad-duck legislating binge. Not if the legislation can be put in the form of "reconciliation" bills--and I would think a VAT would qualify because of its obvious budgetary impact. ...

P.S.: It's good to see Barnes admitting that any immigration reform that includes an amnesty is "unpopular." That's not what he said when Bush proposed the same thing. Here's Barnes in 2006 ("Bordering on Victory"):

THE IMMIGRATION ISSUE HAS FLIPPED in President Bush's favor. The public now firmly supports toughened border enforcement plus--and this is a big plus for the president--a system for letting illegal immigrants already in America earn citizenship.

"Firmly"? So wrong! ... Not sure I should trust Barnes now just because he's started saying what I want to hear. ... 12:25 A.M.

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May 24, 2010 10:05 PM

From: philogratis (philogratis@yahoo.com)

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

Are you too stupid to know what a filibuster is? You must be. Democrats don't have 60 votes anymore, and the chance of Ben Nelson, Joe Lieberman, and Blanche Linclon voting for a VAT. You are running for Senate, theoreticlaly, but you don't even understand the filibuster, although we've been talking about it continously for a year.

May 9, 2010 4:05 PM

From: mondo (mondoreb@gmail.com)

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

Fred Barnes a flip-flopper on immigration? Barnes on immigration is every bit as principled as Vicente Fox was. See what happens when even a conservative leave the precepts of common sense behind? A guideline for all common-sense Democrats!

May 7, 2010 4:05 PM

From: Red Stater (Leonardsherwood@gmail.com)

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

Mickey, For a liberal you are not an idiot. I have corresponded with you on immigration before and like I said then, I can't believe that a liberal can see the issue clearly. Usually liberals cannot see this issue because their eyes are so full of PC excrement from having their heads up their arses. I like you Mickey....

May 7, 2010 12:05 AM

From: David Thomson (davidthomsonone@gmail.com)

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

"Do we really think the Democrats are going to offend their union supporters by legalizing a vast pool of cheap labor? I think not" The union leaders consider themselves to be "elites". They could care less about their workers. In the long run, the Democratic Party establishment perceives the illegal immigrants as future loyal voters. Furthermore, government workers do not have to worry too much about competition from the illegals. And the heck with the private sector union employees. Their numbers will continue to drop. No, the bets are being placed on the voting angle. This would, as a practical matter, also turn the country into a one-party dictatorship.

May 6, 2010 5:05 PM

From: AD (deekay@outdrs.net)

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

Fred Barnes.... He must be a Keynesian, since, when the facts changed, he changed his mind.

May 6, 2010 12:05 PM

From: richard40 (richhampel@prodigy.net)

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

You could do it with an old fashioned Mr Smith goes To Washington style filibuster, with 20 repub senators repeatedly yielding to each other and nobody else, and the senate never adjourning, or allowing any business of any kind to be conducted, 24 hrs a day. I beleive that type cant even be stopped with a closure motion, much less reconciliation.

May 6, 2010 11:05 AM

From: Esteban Nunez

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

Yo Kaus! Whom do you hate more, Ezra Klein or Matt Yglesias? I hate on them both big time. What really irks me is that they give you no respect. It's like, as if you weren't the guy who invented the idea of typing things into a computer and putting it on the internet, and instead were just some aging hack who's obsessed with John Edwards. Which you're totally not.

May 6, 2010 11:05 AM

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Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

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May 6, 2010 10:05 AM

From: John Kelly (jsmkelly@earthlink.net)

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

I was gladdened to see that the hard left has denounced you as an enemy of the people or whatever they call it today. While I don't think all unions are badly run, I agree with you that the UAW for sure qualifies are a long term menace to itself, its members and the industry it served. I also agree that the unbound greed of many public employee unions has set them up for a sharp fall.

May 6, 2010 9:05 AM

From: Norman (NormanCompana@yahoo.com)

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

Perhaps God finally enlightened the president. It's good to see he's finally begun to see the importance of securing the borders. When I see liberally drivel like this: http://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2010/04/30/preliminary-thoughts-on-the-arizona-immigration-law/ I get quite angry, but more so, I become scared for the future safety of out country and those who live and come here legally.

May 6, 2010 7:05 AM

From: Jim Verdolini (jim.verdolini@gmail.com)

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

Passing legislation is not the same thing as funding it. The January Congress could simply defund any and all programs passed at such a time and use the issue for the 2012 election as a reason to get rid of Obama.

May 6, 2010 7:05 AM

From: James B

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

The unions think that once the illegals are "in", that they will become unionized and there won't be any cheap labor. That will be crushing to our ability to export goods. Our prices will not be competitive.

May 6, 2010 6:05 AM

From: Charlie (pleasedont@email.me)

Subject: Reconciliation

I wouldn't worry about reconciliation bills. I could be wrong, but as I recall, Congress can only use the reconciliation process once a year, and they blew it on the health insurance bill. Besides, even if I am wrong, the opposition (which is sure to be at least nominally bipartisan, unlike the membership in favor) does have the opportunity of running out the clock with Byrd Rule objections. True, even if the Parliamentarian upholds the objections, the Presiding Officer (i.e. VPOTUS) can overrule him, but would the President want to start off the 2012 presidential election season on that note? Doubtful. And if I'm right about reconcilation, then a filibuster is sure to hold, and they'll only need to keep it up for a month.

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From: LegalCookie

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

Charlie is right. Reconciliation can only be used once per year. This is why the student loans package was wrapped into HCR.

May 6, 2010 6:05 AM

From: Paul (offthebeach2000@yahoo.com)

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

The Democrat Unions love illegals. They provide the warm, poor, ignorant bodies to fill up union schools, public( state ) housing, jails, welfare rolls all of which are the main employment sites of Democrat union workers. It is important that Democrats either import poverty, or grow it. Remember, without poverty, there is little need for these Democrat workers. Middle income people either send their kids to religious or private schools, or have under control old style schools insuring a good education. Further the working class and up don't need poverty programs as they are self productive, educated enough, flexible enough and moral enough to support themselves....and of course the welfare state and welfare fedgov too on their backs and in their wallets. "The fundamental imperative of any bureaucracy is to grow the problem", James M. Buchanan, Nobel Economist.

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From: TheAbstractor

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

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May 6, 2010 6:05 AM

From: libertariandoc (Jgalt@gmail.com)

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

Mad Duck? Sure, it can happen...the solution is to fillibuster EVERYTHING after the November elections....Nothing passes (nor, should it...why should there be lame duck legislative sessions at all?).

May 6, 2010 6:05 AM

From: John (johnckluge@gmail.com)

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

The problem Mickey is that there are Democratic Senators up for re-election in 2012. They would not want to committ political suicide. Them combined with 41 Republicans would probably stop a mad duck Congress. But it is a real danger.

May 6, 2010 5:05 AM

From: James Bradley (jamesb_bkk@yahoo.com)

Subject: Demagogue

Mr. Macaray seems to have drifted right by your OpEd points. The LA Times is anti-union? Now we know, though without even a single attempt to provide a fact in support. He did not address the stunning dearth (absence?) of separations from employment within the LAUSD. To assert the proposition that bad schools are only in bad neighborhoods, one must wilfully ignore the good progress of Green Dot and other private charter companies in Southern California - where they are allowed to exist by their betters. How can there be more motivated teachers making less money than their credentialed permanently hired counterparts? It boggles the mind.

May 6, 2010 5:05 AM

From: James Bradley (jamesb_bkk@yahoo.com)

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

Fellow commenters: Mr. Kaus is seeking to be elected to the US Senate. Might I suggest a bit more decorum?

May 6, 2010 5:05 AM

From: Joshua Sharf (jsharf@jsharf.com)

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

This bridge has already been burned with health care reform. One could argue that a Mad Duck Congress already exists, since large losses are already expected. In any event, I thought there was a limit of one reconciliation bill per session?

May 6, 2010 5:05 AM

From: James Johnson

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

Oh, I get it. Mickey Kaus needs to win to save the republic from his own party. Makes perfect sense.

May 5, 2010 10:05 PM

From: D.v. Killheimer

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

Still a total media blackout regarding your recent surge in the polls. Hardly surprising for union/mexican controlled papers like the LA Times, but you'd think at least Fox would mention it.

May 5, 2010 12:05 PM

From: Seven Machos

Subject: You are the greatest, Kaus!

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May 5, 2010 12:05 PM

From: Edwin McCabe (emccabe@theqor.com)

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

I believe it's called the power of the purse, the power to de-fund just about anything Congress has passed exercisable by any future Congress. Not sure how the president vetoes a failure to fund.

May 5, 2010 11:05 AM

From: Dave Pinsen

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

"Do we really think the Democrats are going to offend their union supporters by legalizing a vast pool of cheap labor?" The Dems' main union supporters today are public sector union workers. I don't think they care much about private sector unions, the membership of which has been diminishing for decades.

May 5, 2010 8:05 AM

From: AMcA (ammca66564@aol.com)

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

Do we really think the Democrats are going to offend their union supporters by legalizing a vast pool of cheap labor? I think not. That's the built-in tension in the Democratic Party: appeal to the Hispanic vote versus supporting the desire of the unions to tamp down the labor supply to support their own inflated wages. There's no compromise between those problems, which puts the Dems in a real trick bag.

May 5, 2010 5:05 AM

From: Lunatic Duck-Hunter

Subject: re: Mad Ducks?

Oh, what a shame. Seems that the Congressional staff budget doesn't have any room on it for a single Mad Duck to hire even a single secretary. And there isn't any space available anywhere on Federal property for any of them to have an office. And that there isn't a single seat available, no matter how junior, on any committee for any Mad Duck, either. And you notice how new appropriations bills all seem to specifically prohibit expenditures in districts represented by Mad Ducks with more than ten years' seniority? Maybe, just maybe, it's incredibly stupid to throw a fit on the premise that you have nothing to lose when, in fact, you have plenty of things that a majority party can take away.

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